Anchor mark on Romeo & Juliet Porcelain Figurines pre 1920

by Martha
(Denver, CO)

Anchor mark on Romeo & Juliet Porcelain Figurines pre 1920

Anchor mark on Romeo & Juliet Porcelain Figurines pre 1920

Anchor mark on Romeo & Juliet Porcelain Figurines pre 1920:- These belonged to my grandparents, who were from New York City and he travelled the east coast as a salesman -- so I am thinking they MIGHT be by Anchor Pottery (of Trenton NJ).


Approximately 18" high, each of the figures bears a black anchor mark in its base. And each is signed(?) "Chapuis".

Any help in identifying the maker would be appreciated...

Thanks!

Martha

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Anchor mark on Romeo & Juliet Porcelain Figurines pre 1920

Hi Martha

Nice clear pics, thanks. The actual anchor pottery mark on this figurine looks more like the marks of Thomas Maddock & sons of Trenton NJ (TM&S) in terms of the shape and style than the Anchor Pottery backstamp.

However, the items themselves look European, not really American, or at least I have not really seen examples of American sculpture & decoration like this. But not being an expert I learn everyday from site visitors and the expert appraisals they commission.

Any thoughts, please post. Interesting submission. Is this Samson of Paris, for example?

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UPDATE:-

I have been fascinated by this query for some time, and wanted it solved (because this is very interesting ceramic and sculptural work) so did a lot more digging.

I have found this anchor mark attributed (but normally in green - see the photos from an anonymous contributor below) elsewhere online to a small and little known, but very high quality Parisian maker called Vion & Baury (V & B) located in the Rue de Paradis-Poissonniere and originally founded in 1845 by a ceramic sculptor called Jean Gille.

Accounts say Gille died in 1867 and the two men took over the business renaming it Vion & Baury.

Here's what I have pieced together from various sources online....

Jean Gille seems to sometimes be referred to as Gille Jeune (presumably meaning Gille Jnr or Gille the younger). He was a modeller of great skill by all accounts.

Beginning his own business in 1845 he grew his business upon the fad of the time for highly detailed and characterful, realistic and colourful bisque (unglazed) figurines.

Some of the figurines I have seen from this period which have a blue raised JG pottery mark backstamp, are really very well modelled - actually breathtaking to see for a professional modern modeller like me.

It seems he was successful enough to take on junior modellers into his stable and the best of these was a Charles Baury.

When Gille died in 1867 Baury, along with Désiré Vion (who by some accounts was a fellow modeller and by others was another small manufacturer) took over the business.

From what I can gather their first mark was very similar to the raised blue JG mark - instead with the monogram VB. I think (and I am only surmising as more
research is necessary) this mark might have been around the 1870's).

Then, by all accounts, by the 1880's the fad for the large bisque Parisian figure was waning and the studio went into slightly more mass production, or at least a bit more volume than before.

This later period is apparently where the green anchor comes in (needs citing & evidence) - it appears to denote slightly less exacting modelling and production standards to allow for a slightly lower appeal in terms of price point and market. All of which would make sense.

The anchor mark on the above photos sent in by Martha, does not appear to be green though (although you can never tell with digital pics).

Apart from green, I have not seen any other anchor mark mentioned in relation to Vion & Baury (apart from the photos below on this page, see an example in another listing here www.figurines-sculpture.com/green-anchor-mark).

So there we have it. Martha's items are characteristic of other items described with an anchor mark Vion et Baury of Paris that I have seen online.

However, I recently had a very similarly decorated item but with a different mark come through the expert appraisal service and the expert insisted it was mid to late 20th century, not 19th century V & B. It is the faces that are the give away, apparently Go here to see the evidence (scroll to the bottom of the page for my post)

I have seen some of the genuine JG and V & B figures apparently selling for four figure sums, other in the high hundreds. The real Gille and also Baury modelling and decoration is different class when you see it beside the above items.

This leaves this whole area open to an industry of clever fakes, so tread carefully. I can't tell whether the more mass produced looking figures are later V & B or modern.

I feel the artist 'Chapuis' (signature shown above on Martha's photo) is part of this later phase of V & B style wares, as I don't think they are as good as the ones I have seen attributed to older more carefully made Baury and Gille, especially the lady is not anywhere near in the same class. And I would even go as far as to say it looks almost as bad as a modern rip off (perhaps a bit harsh, but just my opinion).

The lady shown below is much better in my view, but the expert says this style of painting on the face looks to him like a 20th century painted face.

We would welcome any input on this - please post in the comments link below.

The discussion below is shown, as it unfolded, unedited, so interesting to see the thought processes from various contributors before we knew what we know now....

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END UPDATE

Peter (admin)

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I have a nice figurine with the exact same marking.
by: Anonymous

Hi Martha,
I have a beautiful porcelain figurine marked with exactly same Anchor and I have no Idea what is it, who made it and when was this made. Did you have a chance to find out the info on this? If it is so please email me at xachik2000@yahoo.com
I will appreciate it.
Thanks

Anchor Mark
by: Anonymous

No! We haven't learned anything more. Do keep me posted if you find anything out.

Some Further Research on Chapuis and the Anchor Mark
by: The Forum Help Elf

Hi Guys

I did some further research into this submission query.

Here's what I found:-

The "Hand-book of marks and monograms on pottery & porcelain" lists marks used by painters, decorators, and gilders at Sevres. In the first period. 1753 -1799, it lists Chapuis, senior who painted flowers, birds etc. It mentions his son Chapuis, junior who worked with detached bouquets etc.

Then there was the factory of Sceaux Penthievre, France who operated at the same time using various anchor marks 1772-1795. The Sceaux factory of france used an anchor mark. The patron was the Duke of Penthievre. They made fine faïence with clear defined enamels and beautiful forms, said to give the fine porcelains a run for their money.

Don't get too excited because there are things that look wrong to me - the printed anchor mark, the transfer print look of the decoration, the slightly stiff modelling. Last but not least the penchant for reproducers and fakers to use glimpses of reality from known, but obscure markings like the anchor mark and the Chapuis name of Sevres.

I recommend this page for further reading and research:-

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Knowledgeable visitors, please post comments below which you think might be helpful……


H.E.

Thank you, H.E.
by: Martha

Your comments are helpful, and much appreciated. We'll research further (following your link) -- but it appears that we may need to go to the experts. Any recommendations in the Denver area?

I would like to share the pictures of the one I own.
by: Anonymous

This is the Juliet with the anchor mark.

anchor-potterymark-romeo-juliet-porcelain-figurine

THE ANSWER TO THIS ANCHOR MARK QUERY IS V & B or VION & BAURY
by: Peter (admin)

THE ANSWER TO THIS ANCHOR MARK QUERY IS, ACCORDING TO SOME SOURCES V & B or VION & BAURY OF PARIS.

I have written an update to my original answer giving more details and history.

Some experts claim though that a face painted in this way can not be 19th century V & B and is more likely mid to latter part of 20th century. So there is some doubt on cast on this identification and marking.

Just scroll to the top of the page to read the full report - see the word "UPDATE".

Some sources report there are modern fakes of this green anchor mark, so buyer beware. The ebay guide shows this image (see www.ebay.com/gds/Vion-Baury-Porcelain-/10000000178336666/g.html)


fake-vion-baury-green-anchor-marks



Peter (admin)

Anchor mark on Romeo and Julliet
by: Anonymous

look in Goddens guide to European porcelain for information about the anchor mark and the JG pad mark

Similar Figures From Paris Marked as 'Quinter'
by: Nicole from Montana

Comment from Forum moderator :- "I have placed this post here because of the similarity between these Paris figures and the ones with the supposed Vion et Baury green anchor marked figures and blue R diamond marked ones"

Hi All

I don't remember much about my grandparents other than the fact that when we went to their, in the eyes of a child, HUGE house on the Long Island Sound, we were not allowed to touch anything, including her baby grand piano, for fear that we would break something. I thought that everything of their estate had been sold decades ago when they passed away so I was surprised when my father gave our 12 year old daughter 2 figurines that were my grandmothers, along with a story...

As a young girl, she had two loves... the piano and these porcelain figurines......


quinter-figurines



The daughter of immigrants, she graduated from Hunter College with a degree in Music and went to work for Irving Berlin as a piano accompanist. With the extra money she had, she began to purchase porcelain figures which she would buy, sell, and "upgrade" throughout the years. After she married, she continued dealing in figurines and as my grandfather became a renowned lawyer in New York State, eventually trying several cases in front of the NY Supreme Court, she continued to gravitate toward antique pieces of impeccable quality (again, according to my dad who does have a tendency to exaggerate).

I would like to find out more about the figurines my dad passed down to our daughter but have been unable to find much on-line or in the library. I must admit, the detail on both is exquisite compared to many figurine images I have been looking at online, but, then again, I know nothing about figurines at all. On both, there is a stamp that says "E B Paris" and a separate area where it says "Quinter", one with a capital "Q" and one with a lower case "q" (looks like Quinler but I've seen a couple of other pieces on-line that have the same E B Paris stamp that clearly show a "t").

Any information anyone can provide as to who the mark/artist is, the time period from whence they came, and any interesting history about the company or artist would be wonderful. I have more pictures if needed.

Nicole in Montana

Paris Figures Marked as 'Quinter'
by: Peter (admin)

Nicole

This is a really cool post. We need someone who knows about these French bisque style figures.

We know these are Paris. We know they are old due to your provenance (and they look of the period of the turn of the 19th Century) going into the 20th C.

We assume they are not V & B, but either a contemporary or later maker and influenced by that style.

In another thread we discuss later makers who are impersonating this bisque Parisian look of V & B. www.figurines-sculpture.com/pottery-mark-query-blue-r-inside-blue-diamond.html. I think to tell the difference is to just take a closer look at the artistrty and care of the modelling, finishing and decoration (and also the quality of the backstamp itself). All are small clues.

For example,

Here is a large figural group which, by the look of the amazing quality must surely be a real V&B original, and if not, a really good homage by someone like Samson of Paris


vion-baury-bisque-figurine-anchor-mark



There are a series of modern replicas of these Paris bisque pieces. We discuss it on the thread linked to above, but also there is an excellent ebay discussion too - here www.ebay.com/gds/Vion-Baury-Porcelain-/10000000178336666/g.html

Here they show excellent comparisons of old against new:-


vion-baury-jean-gille-modern-fakesk



Great contribution, thanks.

Peter (admin)

Is this a Jean Gille mark?
by: Peter (admin)

Hi all

This discussion thread gets richer and richer as we all find new information and photos.

We just had this in from BOBBIE of MILLERSVILLE, MD, USA. She has a figural group right in the ball park for this thread. Only it has a mark I haven't seen before, but it looks distinctly like it might be that of Jean Gille (the forerunner company of Vion et Baury).

So first, here is the mark Bobbie sent in together with her figurine and then, below that, the JG monogrammed mark of Jean Gille we already know about.


jean-gille-vion-baury-impressed-oval-mark




jean-gille-mark-vandb



Here is Jean's comments to go with the photos:-

"I would really love to know the manufacturer of this large and gorgeous figural couple found at an estate sale. I have had Vion and Baury statues in the past and this statue is extremely similar. It is definitely French. Along with the impressed mark there is also an impressed Depose. They are so wonderfully modeled. The facial features are crisp and delicate and their clothing is so amazingly hand-painted. The statue weighs about 18 pounds and is in extremely good condition save for the gentleman's finger and the lady has lost part of her hand fan.

I am a part-time antique dealer and love to come across old beautiful pieces. I am a fan of the Victorian era and would love to someday own a real Victorian house with a wrap-around porch, cupolas, turrets, pocket doors and turrets! I feel I have an obligation to protect these vintage items for future generations. So, my house looks like a museum. I call it my red-neck retirement plan.

The Vion and Baury figurines I have had in the past have been separate.

The period clothing is highly detailed. He wears a large trip-corn hat with vertical stripes and a scarf cravat worn highly about his neck. His robins egg blue waist coat has large gold lapels and pink cuffs at the sleeves. He has a ruffled blouse under the waist coat. His lavender tights are embellished with gold medallions and he wears purple slippers. He is stepping forward with his left foot as though they were walking together. His hair is styled in ringlet curls.

She has a large pale blue bonnet with a pink ribbon tied at the side of her neck He light blue gown has gold embellishments overall and a hem of deeper gold. He gown is the low cut bodice of the day and the empire waist is tied with the same color pink ribbon that is on her bonnet. She has a pink shawl wrapped around her arms and matching pink slippers. Her left arms holds the dress out to the side as though she is walking and moving the dress out of her way. She wears long white gloves that come up past he elbows. The sleeves of her gown and short and puffy.

The base resembles a patch of grass with small porcelain flowers strewn about. Her right arm is linked into his left elbows as he assists her in their stroll.

I have seen Vion and Baury marks that were an anchor and a raised button with a V and a B. But, this mark is slightly raised in an oval shaped with letters impressed inside the oval.

This is definitely not cheap porcelain. It is surely high quality and probably cost a fortune in it's day. A well born family would surely have displayed this statue proudly. It displays beautifully today even with his hand issues. It would surely be worthy of a professional restoration. Their facial features are lovely as are the expressions on their faces as they gaze at each other. The sculpture has accurately portrayed the emotions of these two lovers.

I would really appreciate any information that could be provided on the maker of this figurine. Thank you very much!

Jean"


So what does everybody think? Does this say JG for Jean Gille? I agree with Jean that it seems too nice to be a later copy? If it is a JG mark it is older than the V&B output of the later 19th Century.

Any ideas?

Peter (admin)

So confused
by: Anonymous

I have this beautiful bust that I'm not sure about at all and after reading all the posts, I'm more confused than before, lol. The Mattel is a green anchor but it's faint in places, the initials are E.C., and hope is pretty perfect...I can also see mold lines on either side, but the painting is such high quality, especially with the veil over her face! I'm a certified personal property Appraiser and this is one I'm not at all sure of...about any of it! Opinions welcome! Please help!
I'm trying to add the pictures!

Not sure on this marking NEW
by: K Lewis

Not sure on this marking from my great grandmothers figurines
ITs 2ft tall and no one can figure out where this comes from
The anchor marking is interesting

Gille or V&B Figurine
by: Anonymous

I have been trying for sometime to get a figurine ided....unfortunately it is not marked as best I know.....I have been told that the quality looks like something Gille or V&B might have done. How do I show pictures so others can see and possibly help me get her ided. Thanks so much. Bob in USA, KY

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