Blue Crown pottery mark above Initials TC or JC on white ceramic rhino - is this Tiffany?

by Richard
(California)

Side View - Blue Crown pottery mark above Initials TC or JC on white ceramic rhino - is this Tiffany?

Side View - Blue Crown pottery mark above Initials TC or JC on white ceramic rhino - is this Tiffany?

Side View - Blue Crown pottery mark above Initials TC or JC on white ceramic rhino - is this Tiffany?
Blue Crown Mark - Blue Crown pottery mark above Initials TC or JC on white ceramic rhino - is this Tiffany?

Blue Crown pottery mark above Initials TC or JC on white ceramic rhino - is this Tiffany?:- The item in question is a white porcelain rhinoceros that is around 14 inches long. It bears a blue crown mark with either the initials TC or JC and a number that is either 7965 or 1965. The original owner stated they purchased it from Tiffany & Co. in 1962 and suspect that the initials are TC and that the item was made for them.


It is in the style of the rhinoceroses produced to commemorate the arrival of "Clara" in the mid 1700's to Europe. I have seen a marble version carved in 1764 that looks exceptionally close to this piece.

Richard

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Comment by The Forum Help Elf (admin)

To:- Blue Crown pottery mark above Initials TC or JC on white ceramic rhino - is this Tiffany?

OK! This is a very interesting area very little written about online (just up our street). So a big thanks for this submission, Richard.

Also, nearly forgot to say a lovely piece and great research by you already. It is plain as day this is an uber-high quality piece. So it would fit the Tiffany mold.

We want to have this thread develop into some juicy information, so, please read and post if you are even the slightest bit interested in Tiffany porcelain (or rhinos! LOL)

Here's my starter....

I have searched my books and also online, but am finding it difficult to uncover any information at all on Tiffany & Co ceramic art or the accompanying pottery and porcelain marks.

One of the reasons is that there is so much information out there on the obvious Tiffany lines - that of silver, jewelry, art glass and lamps and the rest of the Art Nouveau paraphernalia, that it is hard to find references to their art-porcelain.

Also I am guessing their porcelain and china produce was a relatively small operation, so not too much of it was own branded, unlike the silver, jewelry, art glass and lamps etc (that is just a guess as I don't really know).

I do know they commissioned art-china and porcelain items from leading china makers in the 19th century - for example, below is a photo of the mark of a vase made for them by Royal Crown Derby of England (date 1889). It has a joint lable.

Photo courtesy of www.antique-hunter.com/Derby_Crown.html


Tiffany-Co-ceramic-china-pottery-mark-1889



So, a call-out to all those Tiffany buffs and collectors out there......

HELP!

Please post below....

Thanks

H.E.

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Mystery Solved!!This is reproduction from the 1960's of an original 1770 sculpture by Frankenthal made by Nymphenburg.
by: Richard Pontius

Hi Peter –

An architect I am currently working with recognized the mark on this as being Frankenthal. With that said, I chased down the lead and found that it appeared to be Nymphenburg. I sent them pictures and note and here is their reply:

“It is assumed that Peter Anton von Verschaffelt, court sculptor for Elector Carl Theodor in the Palatinate, created this rhinoceros sculpture in 1770 - at the time for the Porzellan Manufaktur Frankenthal. Around 100 years after this manufactory closed its gates and was combined with the Porzellan Manufaktur Nymphenburg, Nymphenburg revisited these designs.

Your porcelain -rhinoceros was produced in 1965. Its marks are those of the Porzellan Manufaktur Frankenthal + the impressed Nymphenburg mark -the coat of arms of the Wittelsbach family.”

Mystery solved. I was keeping my fingers crossed that it might be 1770. Not this time around.

Thank you for your help.

Regards,

Richard Pontius

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Reply by Peter (admin)

Great work Richard, and many thanks for keeping us posted. Having walked through the vast storerooms of Royal Worcester and seeing unbelievable moulds from the 18th century, I can see how it is tempting for a company to re-visit historic work from time to time. Sadly, after Worcester went into administration in 2008 and the old factory was closed down, and sold, all this history just went into land-fill tips never to be seen again. So that puts your piece into perspective.

Thanks for sharing...

Peter (admin)

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