Crown Ducal Pottery Mark - Florentine Picardy

by Dorothy

Crown Ducal Pottery Mark - Florentine Picardy

Crown Ducal Pottery Mark - Florentine Picardy

Crown Ducal Pottery Mark Florentine Picardy:- Hi, Our family have a tea service by Crown Ducal who I can't see mentioned elsewhere on your site. Can you tell us a bit more about this service and the mark and where we could get replacements.

Many thanks



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Reply by Peter (admin)

To:- Crown Ducal Pottery Mark - Florentine Picardy

Hi Dorothy

Many thanks for great photos and interesting submission.

First, if you follow the links on this page it outlines how to find replacement china:

How to find vintage and antique china online ....more

Florentine is a relief shape possibly designed in the 1930's. This was a popular shape mass produced by Crown Ducal (A G Richardson) and is in plentiful supply.

One claim to fame of Crown Ducal is that Charlotte Rhead joined A. J. Richardson in 1931. She also worked for T & R Boote (a tile company in Burslem), Wood and Sons, and Burgess and Leigh. Her father was also in the industry, designer, Frederick Rhead.

The mark on your service suggests a date not before 1930. Crown Ducal, the main brand of A G Richardson originally of Tunstall then of Cobridge is not to be confused with Albert G Richardson of Cobridge (both companies used a not dis-similar crowned oval mark with the initials 'AGR').

A G Richardson have survived into modern times, so the exact dating of your service is difficult.

'Florentine' was a popular raised relief which was used with various pattern as top decoration and also plain. Your pattern is 'Picardy'.

The Florentine border is sometimes shown in other (early?) examples as very much crisper than your example. Crown Ducal has another claim to fame - it was cited as a 'model' for modern manufacturer - with time and motion studies informing their layout.

You can get a fascinating into Charlotte Rhead's work and the patterns of Crown Ducal here:-

The 'Florentine' shape (not the Picardy transfer print itself) is said by some sources to be designed by Charlotte Rhead. Whether it is the same Florentine as yours is not clear. Other designs mentioned by the eBay guide attributed to Rhead are Byzantine, Foxglove and Wisteria.

However, this is disputed by Charlotte Rhead expert and publisher of the website mentioned above (, Ian, who wrote into the website to describe the information on eBay about Crown Ducal Florentine being attributable to Charlotte Rhead as a "Grave error":

    "It is near impossible for Charlotte Rhead to have created the Florentine shape since she wasn't working at the factory when it was created. Though she may have beeen employed at Crown Ducal when that particular lithograph pattern (Picardy) was created there is no evidence that she was invovled in its design. I am happy to discuss this further if you wish."

May we continue this discussion on the comments section below? Anyone with more information, queries or comments, please scroll down to the comments link.

If you need a valuation, please go here:-

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Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Peter (admin)

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Charlotte Rhead 'Florentine' Confusion Explained
by: Ian

Charlotte Rhead 'Florentine' Confusion Explained

Dear Peter,

Thanks for your reply. I followed your link to the ebay page with the brief biography of Charlotte Rhead. I use ebay all the time but I have never seen that page before!

I think I now understand the confusion. The name Florentine has more than one meaning in the context of Charlotte Rhead and the factories she worked for.

That ebay biography text ?Florentine, Byzantine, Foxglove and Wisteria? refers to 4 pattern names that are Charlotte Rhead designs. Florentine is a tube-lined design, more correctly a group of designs), she created when she worked at Burgess & Leigh in fact they were her last designs for the company in 1931 before she left to join A.G. Richardson, (Crown Ducal). It is found on jugs, vases and wall chargers. The other three names Byzantine, Foxglove and Wisteria are some of her designs from when she worked at Crown Ducal.

Florentine in the context of Crown Ducal means something different. It is the shape name of a tableware series, plates, cups, saucers, tureens, jugs etc. for dinner and tea ware. I haven?t been able to research a precise date for its creation but I believe it to be around 1930 or 1931. (The same time as the Burgess & Leigh use which doesn?t help matters!). As far as I know there is no evidence that Charlotte Rhead was involved in its design ? I?m positive it precedes her arrival at Crown Ducal.

I do not have much information on the Picardy named decoration. It is clearly a lithograph/transfer applied to the Florentine shape in ivory glaze with a gold stippled edge. I am aware the same transfer was used on other Crown Ducal patterns from 1936 and 1940 but I have not been able to date the version on Florentine. Crown Ducal started the use of the gold stipple edge in the summer of 1937 but really started using it in earnest during 1939 and 1940 and probably carried on with it in the 1940?s.

I attach a picture of the Burgess & Leigh Florentine pattern pattern 4752.

burgess & lee florentine

For anyone interested in the Burgess & Leigh history and its productions there is an excellent book, Burleigh The Story of a Pottery by Julie McKeown. Sadly there is very little published information about Crown Ducal ? but I?m working on it!

Kind regards


Ps So we can blame the author of the ebay Charlotte Rhead biography for the confusion.

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