German 'Crown Mark with N' Porcelain Mark - A J. Uffrecht & Co Figurine?

by Michelle
(Michigan)

German 'Crown Mark with N' Porcelain Mark - A J. Uffrecht & Co Figurine?

German 'Crown Mark with N' Porcelain Mark - A J. Uffrecht & Co Figurine?





German 'Crown Mark with N' Porcelain Mark - Uffrecht Figurine query:- Hello, I have a question about this very elegant German figurine. She looks to be made of porcelain & has a blue 5 point crown mark with the letter N below the crown. Also marked Germany & the numbers 86. I have tried to locate any information on this particular piece & the closest I've come is a crown mark from J. Uffrecht & Co. that looks similar. Any information would be MUCH appreciated. Thank you!

Michelle

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To:- German 'Crown Mark with N' Porcelain Mark - A J. Uffrecht & Co Figurine query


Hi Michelle

Thanks for your interesting query. I like queries like this because you have done a certain amount of research for yourself and have got quite a long way forward.

Identifying obscure pottery marks is a very specialist area and often needs expert input. Not being an expert in this area, I can but give you my penny's worth.

I have written a special search page which should assist you in your quest to identify your porcelain wares or china collection:

www.figurines-sculpture.com/antique-china-values.html

This unique identification & valuation service will allow you to see if the mark is identifiable by experts without you having to pay any money upfront. My service is unique online and is designed to protect my site visitors from wasting their time and money online.

Your query is interesting to me because it highlights a bigger subject - that of which German makers have impersonated the 'N and Crown' mark of Naples?

It also sheds more light on another company who I have written about before on these query pages: 'Carstens of Tonihoff'

According to www.keramikmuseum.ch, J. Uffrecht & Co., Steingutfabrik, was a branch of the Carstens Kommandit-Gesellschaft Group.

Uffrecht of Neuhaldensleben was founded in 1845 producing figurines, faience, and tea services, amongst other items. They seem to have come under the Carstens ownership in the 1920's during the groups expansion. Carstens Kommandit-Gesellschaft owned factories in Neuhaldensleben, Hirschau, Graefenroda, Georgenthal, Rheinberg, Luebeck, Wallhausen, and Greussen. Factories in Reichenbach, Blankenhain, Sorau, Elmshorn and Zeven were owned by Ernst Carstens Erben.

Prior to the Carsten's takeover, I could not find evidence of Uffrecht using the 'Crown and N' pottery mark. During the 20th century, reports have it that it became commonplace for nearly all Thuringian factories to use identical 'Crown with N' marks for their export porcelain. So to narrow the maker down to Uffrecht on the basis of a crown mark with N is not accurate.






Uffrecht did, however, make figurines that have a superficial resemblance to your figure. You can see by the photos above, the original figures dating from circa 1895 are more defined in terms of sculpting quality and production finesse than yours.

This means that your figure could be a more modern 'reprise' of the older wares by Uffrecht in the Carstens era of the 20th Century, or a rip-off from another German firm. I am not qualified to say, but for my money, it is more likely that the high powered Carstens group were trying to cash in on the older more esteemed and valuable Uffrecht figures. The sculpting is elegant, but not in the same genre as the original Uffrecht figurines.

That's my best guess. What do you think?

Just for interest, here are some other German firms who I have found who also use the 'Crown with an N' pottery mark.

    Potschappel, founded by Carl Thieme in 1872, Saxony, Germany. Makers of 'art porcelain' in the 'old tradition'. The factory survives to modern times.

    potschapel-carl-thieme-5prong-crown-N-pottery-mark


    Rudolstadt, founded by Ernst Bohne Söhne in 1854 in, Saxony, Germany. Makers of luxury porcelain. originally using an anchor mark (blue) together with the initials 'EBS' but replaced this with the crowned 'N' mark in blue under glaze.

    Ernst-Bohne-Sohne-Rudolstadt-Volkstedt-Germany-5-prong-crown-pottery-mark


    Sandizell, founded in 1951 by Herr Höfner in 1951 in Saxony Germany. Still making today, they make figurines and gift wares.

    Dresden-sandizell-Hoffner-5prong-N-crown-pottery-mark

    Note:- If your 5 prong N mark doesn't look like it can fit with one of these identifiable German N marks (in other words it is a different 5 prong crown variation from the ones shown above) - it may be German or it may not be, but, the fact is, it is probably not that easy to identify, even for the experts by just the mark. The quality and details of the make of the item would have to be looked at also. Remember, there are other variations of the N with crown - i.e. 3 prong, 7 prong and also the Germanic looped crown without prongs - often with a small cross on the top.

    UPDATE:-
    Thanks to a very helpful comments post by Judith, a Museum Curator in Germany (see below), we also know the N porcelain mark is also attributed to Johann Gottlob Nathusius of Althaldensleben, 1826 to 1850. We don't have an image though.

Hope this information helps!

Best regards,

Peter (admin)

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N porcelain mark
by: Judith

Excuse my bad english, I´m german.
But I live in Haldensleben and know, that the porcelain mark "N" means Johann Gottlob Nathusius. He has a small factory in Althaldensleben between 1826 and 1846 or 1850 (I must look to say it clearly!). It was one of the first german privat porcelain manufactories. If you want to know more, you can write me. You find me in the museum:

Museum Haldensleben
Breiter Gang
39340 Haldensleben
Germany
Tel.: (Germany)03904/2710
Home: www.museumhaldensleben.de
E-Mail: museumhaldensleben@t-online.de

Best regards, Judith.

Pair Toby Jugs with N Mark and 5 Point Crown
by: Anonymous

hello there. I have a pair of small Toby jugs (one unfortunately damaged, handle broken off). They are marked with a blue crown which appears to have five points and a blue capital N underneath. Can you help me date and identify these little jugs?

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Crowned N Mark on China Soldiers
by: Michael Miller

I very much enjoyed your analysis of the "Crown and N" mark (for "Michelle") because about ten years ago I inherited ten 4" high porcelain soldiers from my Mother, who had purchased them in Berlin in 1948. Until this week they were stored away and forgotten.

My wife and I just opened the boxes and went on line to try to discern the soldiers origin and value, looking first at the marks. The soldiers all have the "Crown and N", either on the back of the soldier's leg or on the underside of the base. We also looked at a china marks book and saw a difference between the marks on the soldiers Italian Crown and N marks.

We have five different soldiers with two or three duplicates of all but one. This last one seems to shown the finest work. I have attached photos for your perusal and I would be most interested in your opinion. I see the price on antique 19th century porcelain soldiers varies tremendously.

Thank you!

Michael Miller
p.s.
photos below:-
soldier figurines with N mark and Crownsoldier figurines with N mark and Crownsoldier figurines with N mark and Crownsoldier figurines with N mark and Crown
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Reply by Peter (admin):-

Hi Michael

Many thanks for adding to the debate firstly about the crowned N marks, and secondly about the Soldier figurines with the N and crown. I recently wrote a reply to an interesting submission on the subject here:-

www.figurines-sculpture.com/napoleon-figures-n-with-a-crown.html.

Please have a look and continue the discussion here or on the other thread.

Peter (admin)

Answer to the Capital N and Blue Crown Question.
by: Alastair MacDonald

Hi just came across this discussion while looking for values to a piece i have. The one thing I do know is the make and that is Capo-de-Monte. With mine the Blue crown and Capital N is very clear. See this link for some more info.

www.onlinecollectibles.com/faq/capodimonte2.htm

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Peter (admin) says:-

Thanks for your comments, Alistair. However, Capodimonte is not a 'make' nowadays, it is a style of wares, very loosely based on the look & feel of the original Royal Factory. This factory is the one and only true Capodimonte factory, and has a very complex history but, to all intents and purposes, it did not survive the end of the 18th Century (as the article in the link you provided confirms). If you had wares of this 'make' you would be very rich indeed!

The crowned N mark became used by all sorts of companies, some of them Italian, some German, some from the Far East. So the one thing you 'know' is not strictly speaking correct, as there is no such 'make' as Capo-di-Monte. Sorry to dissapoint!

Peter (admin)

3 Hunters and organ grinder sculptures
by: Mike J

When I was station in Germany I bought 2 sculptures that they was hand painted of 3 hunters reading a map, the other sculptures was a organ grinder with a monkey which i also seen been hand painted. The markings on the bottom is a crown 5 points and a N. I have been trying to find out the company or factory. I was in Bamberg at that time 1971 to 1974. I have been trying seen how many and value of these sculptures. Thanks Mike They stand about 16in tall on both

toby jug marked aj
by: maryymous

hi i got a dutch delph toby jug marked aj its very old and about 10 inches high love to hear from other toby jug collectors

Crown N mark with dot to right
by: Tobi

Hi
The Crown N mark with a small dot to the right, shown above as Ernst Bohne Söhne, Saxony maybe from a different company.

The German standard publication for marks Graesse, Fuehrer fuer Sammler von Porzellan, attributes this mark to a company called Ackermann and Fritze (I know it sounds funny)in Thuringa, Germany 1908 onward.

I hope this is helpful
Tobi

www.ceramic-link.de

Two birds on a tree branch
by: Jamie

Can't identify the markings.......on the left there is a black 5 prong crown with the letter N......then on the right there is a blue eagle with a crown on its head there no writing on the eagle if there is its hard to make out.........could any1 help

A most unusual piece looking for identification
by: Lorraine

I lived in Germany when I was very young, my father was in the Air Force. My parents bought all kinds of china and crystal (Rosenthal, Hutschenreuther, Edelstien, etc.). I have 1 decorative 'plate' that I simply have never seen anything else like it.

This piece has the 'crown over N' mark on the back but it's not completely clear. 5 point (spade?) crown with what looks like writing in the base but in a strange greenish/blueish/greyish color.

The piece is a rectangular shape, 8 3/4" x 6 1/2". It has raised sculpted figures on the front, glazed going from white to almost black depending on the depth of the glaze but it is mostly greenish blue.

It is the figures on the front that make it so unusual. The focus is a man in full armor on a horse facing left. He carries a long pole in his right arm and a long sword on this left hip. There is the head of 2nd horse but not another rider. A dog runs along side the man's horse and small lizard runs the other way. In the background is a long snouted, goat-headed creature standing up also carrying a pole and what looks to be an old man with a crown with snakes coming out of it carrying an hour glass. In the left bottom corner is a skull with a squarish plaque. Within it is: 'S 1513' & below that is what looks to be a flat topped 'A' with a 'D' in-between the base of the 'A'. There are trees, rocks, brush, cliffs & a town or castle far in the distance.

It looks germanic and I believe it was purchased while we lived in Germany. Anyone have a clue as to who/where it was made?

Thanks!

Please send in photos of mark and item
by: Peter (admin)

Hi Lorraine

Please send in photos of both the mark and the item and let's all have a look.

Please send to me and I will manually add them to your post.

send to:-

peter@theclayartist.com

Thanks

Peter (admin)

Cat/Monkey
by: Anonymous

I have an item that seems to be a cat body sitting with a monkey/owl face (large glass eyes. Has the blue crown inside over n. It has small holes in the top and a small football shaped object that seemed to have held Pepper or salt maybe ?

Lady with a Fan
by: Anonymous

I have a potschapel-carl-thieme-5prong-crown-N-pottery-mark according to the pictures of the marks above. It is the mark in the center of the three marks. It is a lady with a fan. How do I find more information on this piece. It was a gift from a German woman and has been a family keepsake. Everything I find on my searches are not even close to the quality of this piece. Those that are have a long history. How do I find out my pieces history?

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