Porcelain mark - Appears to be N with a C overtop

Male Figurine & Mark N with a C overtop

Male Figurine & Mark N with a C overtop

Male Figurine & Mark N with a C overtop
Impressed N C or CN Mark on figurine (photo sent  in by Bern))




N with a C overtop:- This is a figurine with a N with a C on top. This is followed underneath by a number. Can you identify this mark?





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I'd be glad to help
by: Mary Evans

I would be more than glad to help you with your unknown mark. It is a beautiful figurine. Unfortunately, there a few factories who used both the C and N in conjunction in their marks.

Could you post another photo of the backstamp? Chances are I can give you an answer as soon as you post.

I can tell you this now, this one does look like a keeper....

Mary Evans
Drei Katzen Media
Vintage and Collectible Glassware

Mark N with C overtop on male & female candlestick figurines
by: Anonymous

I also have the same bottom mark N with C overtop on male and female candlestick figurines. I did not submit a picture of them. Can you give us the names of those makers anyway? Thanks!

NC Mark on figures
by: Anonymous

I also have two figurines with an N surrounded by a C. Would like more information on the possible maker.

The N and C pottery marks
by: Mary Evans

The first and foremost maker with the N surrounded by a C mark is the 'Newcomb College'. Most people will think of the maker here and think vases, although Newcomb College also produced some figures as well..they are just not as well known as their Vases. I have one, it is a bust type of a little girl in a straw hat and victorian type clothes. She is holding a candy cane in one hand.
A ceramic umbrella on a metal rod went into the candy cane and these were known as 'Umbrella Girls'.
The mark for Newcomb College can is below. Not to be mistaken for the cheap Japanese imports, please.


genuine-newcombe-college-mark



You can see it is a large C (almost looks like a full circle) and then an N is in the center of the C.
Try looking up 'Newcomb College' for a more detailed look at the mark.
Another way to pull up your pottery mark is to type in a search for C N pottery mark
You'll be surprised at the hits it will bring up for you! You just might find your mark.

Newcomb College Pottery ornate candlestick holders
by:

I recently purchased 2 candlestick holders that have the N encircled with a C. They are very ornate with flowers, birds and a man on one and a woman on the other. I researched the Newcomb College Pottery and can not find any information on the figurines. My pieces are very similar to the picture the other viewer posted. Wondering if you know any information and are the figurines valuable. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. many thanks

Research on this mark
by: Mary Evans

I have completed more research on this mark. The N with C mark appears most frequently in figurines attributed to Camille Naudot. There is one problem though in making Camille Naudot the maker of the figurines. He never made figurines, mostly ornate bowls, trays, etc.

Here is some history of this artist;

The son of a porcelain merchant, Camille Naudot trained at the Ecole de Sèvres and succeeded his father about 1889. In order to carry on his research into soft-paste porcelain, he set up a business at Le Raincy in 1893 and a store at 10 rue Auber, Paris. He perfected a new fine soft paste and set about reproducing 18th-century soft-paste pieces, delighting customers wanting to match up their table services. He specialised in the rice-grain decoration inspired by Chinese porcelain, of which this piece, made in 1903, is a magnificent example. The pierced openwork is filled with transparent glaze, the décor is heightened by enamel on the body and relief gold highlights. Camille Naudot won a gold medal at the Universal Exhibition in Paris in 1900 and the Grand Prix at the exhibitions in St Petersburg in 1901 and in London in 1908.

While we can't attribute the figurines to this artist, we can almost certainly say the pieces marked with this mark are more than likely Asian imports. Now before you think you have a piece of junk, read on...

Please see the second part of this post in the next message...

continued
by: Mary Evans

During the late 1800's and early 1900's, there was a large Japanese import business. This is not the one you see today in 'Made in Japan', those pieces were made after 1921.

The ones being produced before then were made by masters of porclain. In fact, it was the Japanese who discovered many processes in porcelain.

The problem was, they sent so many Eastern influenced items, the market was dying down in the US. They discovered they could copy other makers and market those items and sell much more sometimes than the orginal makers! Their artistry was just that good. Copied too was the marks of makers. It makes it very hard today to find original makers on some items. We have to know what items makers actually did and did not make.

While the item you have may be an import...the age, artistry and desirability of the piece is still important to collectors. There are collectors who collect imports.

I suggest you look up everything you can about this maker, Camille Naudot to find out more...

A Big Thanks to Mary
by: Peter (admin)

Mary

We all very much appreciate and benefit from your knowledge. Do you have a website we may visit?

Peter

incised c over n mark
by: jeffrey

i have quite a few tabby cats figurines with the incised c over n mark,i know its not camille naudot mark. because camille naudot did not produce cat or animal figurines.the most i found about this c over n mark was either (empress pottery japan mark) or (royal japan porcelain mark) thats some of factory marks i have found with the incised c over n mark,if anyone has any other info about these marks,plz i am all ears,to here responce,lol.

Quikdrop
by: john borger

I have a porcelain young girl sitting with one finger almost in her mouth, she's wearing a bonnet and short dress with no shoes on. The stamp is a N on top of a C with 6640 numbered next to it.

NC mark
by: Anonymous

The NC mark that is found on the small porcelain items as mentioned here is a mark from Japan, mid-20th century. We have documented more than a dozen importers/exporters and makers who used this mark. It is apparently a Japan export mark. Those appearing on Lefton, Ardalt and others confirm the timeframe for this mark is 1950's-60's.
The Naudot mark is handpainted blue with a very long N and a very oval C. Naudot used no model numbers.
The Newcomb mark has the N entirely within the C and Newcomb made only the known art pottery, not small porcelain objects.

embossed logo and aluminum sticker info
by: albert

i have two porcelain pieces with the nc embossed and they both had small silver or aluminum stickers next to or on top of the embossed mark. the stickers have a "G" in side the letter "C" and the letter "U" stretched to go through the top and bottom of the other letters. then it says "ceramics" and under the word ceramics the word "JAPAN". it is hard to read the name due to damage but the first letter ? then "a" "looks like g" then "a or c or o" last letter is gone. the sticker uses red ink for all the words and symbols. the "g" could be a "y" and it looks like a crown symbol is at the top center of everything written. if this clue creates an answer please post below

thanks, good luck

albert

NC mark
by: Anonymous

The label noted above is for Ucagco (united china and glass company) one of the many importers of Japanese ceramics which can bear the NC mark.

Incised N and C Monogram Pottery mark
by: Peter (admin)

[Summary of Comments]

Hi All

This has been a very lively and interesting thread and many thanks to all the contributors.

I especially thank Mary who gave a really good run down of the various famous makers who used the N & C marking - Newcomb College and Camille Naudot (see above).

I am not totally convinced Newcomb College made figurines, at least I have never seen one. I don't know too much about them though and I don't have any specialist books about them.

I do know their vases regularly fetch from $5000 - $20,000 USD at auction. They are considered very collectible and valuable. I would very much like to publish a picture of the Umbrella Girls you speak about, so you could please upload some, Mary.

With regard to your analysis that the above figures are likely Japanese imports, I agree with you when you say "Their artistry was just that good". The above are good copies of German style sculpture and decoration and are much better than the run of the mill mass produced Far East export ware.

However, other contributors told us there was not just one exporter/importer who used the NC pottery mark. There were several - as it appears from the comments.

We have:-

    "Ucagco (United China and Glass Company) one of the many importers of Japanese ceramics which can bear the NC mark".

    "Lefton, Ardalt and others confirm the time frame for this mark is 1950's-60's".

    "Empress pottery mark or Royal Japan porcelain mark"


I think the point here is that there seems to be some deliberate or accidental blurring of the edges with markings that come from Japan.

Camille Naudot


Not Camille Naudot


One well known example is a Japanese company called Arnart who made figurines which looked like a fairly obscure but quality German figurine maker called Kalk. They used a mark which was very similar to the original. They also made many other look-alike wares.

In this case, the Japanese maker/exporter seems to have picked out an obscure but quality French maker called Camille Naudot and put a mark which makes reference to but is not the same as the original mark.

There seems to be a pattern here. Japanese makers picking out quality but obscure makers and flooding the market with look-alikes which vary in quality to quite good to downright awful.

Thanks for all your contributions.

Peter (admin)

2 figurines - number 6426 under the n/c
by: Anonymous

Have 2 figurines. One boy w/dog and one girl w/dog. Both have the n with a c overtop. Both have the number 6426 under the n/c. The by is dressed in blue and the girl dressed in pink. Can you identify them for me?

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The forum moderator says:-

In the post just previous to yours, Peter sums up all we know about marks bearing a N C. So read it through carefully and figure out what you have.

The bottom line is to do with quality. Your figures may look just OK, in which case they are more than likely cheap Japanese imports made post-war (WW2).

There comes a time when you have to bite the bullet and ask an expert. For these cases, Peter has organized the online equivalent to The Antiques Roadshow identifications and valuations

As Peter says, there are a couple of older, obscure, rare and high quality makers who used this mark originally, which is possibly why the cheap importers zeroed in on these markings.

This technique was a marketing choice the Japanese importers made - especially in the post-war period. I am not sure what advantage the US distributors gained from this policy, but it must have been considerable as it was repeated again and again. Perhaps someone can write in and explain.

Remember, the Japanese are very bright at commerce, and especially important to them is the US market, which is, after all the biggest market in the world.

camille naudot
by: Anonymous

i have the boy you pictured as an orginal also matching girl. numbered a and b, they are perfect.

check replacements limited
by: Corvette 123

When looking for patterns, marks, or examples, check out Replacements.com, they have a huge inventory with pics... I could not upload pic of Arnart Blue Boy and Pinkie.

nc
by: Cindy

I have a porcelain donkey with a metal cart that has a porcelain basket that fits in it. It has the mark that Newcomb College used. I don't know how old it is and would like to know.

JEFF
by: Anonymous

I also have 2 tabby cats playing with this mark on the bottom of it. I can not ever remember not having it.
I would love to know more about the artist and what it could be worth or if anyone else has the set.

RE NC OR CN MARK
by: BEACHLOVER

I have a small tulip shaped vase in pinks and greens. A raised pink tulip on the vase. White base with gold trim marked with the CN then kw259under that. I could upload a picture but not sure how. Stands only 5 3/4".
Any one have any ideas--I have been searching to find out what it is worth and who made it. Thanks

For beachlover
by: Anonymous

I have done research over the years with Japanese ceramics and usually KW and then numbers is from the Lefton Company. Hope that helps

vase nc
by: beachlover

Thanks that helps.Wanted to add picture but did not have time to figure out that day.I want to sell but want to be fair to me & buyer.

Camille Naudot or ?
by: Barbara

I also have the young man at the top but also have the matching girl....the N is elongated & the C is oval....there is a 4 digit number on both 6019. I would submit a photo but can't find where to do it.....

Camille Naudot
by: cory

I just purchased a figurine of cupid I am guessing holding a quiver of arrows climbing what looks to be a cornocopia. From what i seen on here it has the Camille Naudot makers mark, but thats it. No other numbers or markings. How do i tell if this is a Japanesse make?

Figurines with NC mark and circular GERMANY mark
by: Peter (admin)

Many thanks for Denise Candalay who provided up with photos of the NC mark and the figurines they were stamped on, and also comparable figurines stamped Germany in a circular pottery mark.

The figurines marked NC are typical mass produced Japanese post war fare, and I believe the German ones are likely GDR post war mass produced items also.

Sometimes its hard to tell GDR mass-produced from Japanese mass-produced, as they both have the same intent - to grab the export dollar.

Here are Denise's photos:-


mass-produced-figurines-Japan-1950s-60s




poor-quality-figurines-from-germany



Denise Canaday's original post:-

I purchased these figurines at an estate sale and have not been able to find the maker's mark. The estate belonged to a lady who had thousands of figurines of couples in her collection. Each piece is numbered by her and has the date and purchase price.These particular figurines are of a couple, each sitting in a chair, she is holding a fan in one hand and a bouquet of flowers in the other hand, he is holding a cane in one hand and a top hat in the other hand. It appears that she paid $140.00 for the pair in either 1971 or 1991. Each measures approximately 4" tall.
I am also sending photos of another pair of figurines that I purchased from the same estate sale. They have an orance N inside a C. I have read other inquiries on this mark but have not seen any photos. A figurine of an angel with this mark was recently sold on Ebay as Newcomb Pottery. These figurines are of a young man standing next to a tree stump with a basket of grapes and the young lady is standing next to a tree stump with a wreath of grapes and a dove inside the wreath. They both have the orange N inside a C and the number 6763 below the mark. Each measures approximately 6" tall. The purchase price was $70.00 for the pair with no notation of the year purchased.

Denise

incised N over C vase cherub unglazed
by: 100tos

Hello, after looking at all the comments & photos provided here & some ebay offerings I think we have something different. The green vase we have w/cherub figure ( one hand up & one on a wood staff) has a tree like vase with the scooped out base in two placed and is not glazed porcelain. It also has very fine white petaled flowers. All details are fine & sharp. The cherub is very lightly blushed at the cheeks, knees. The vases you show are glazed with a painted mark - this one is not so I do not think it is a 1950's repro.
The incised C over N or N over C is in a white paste bottom base. This vase has a few problems regretfully. The top of the staff is broken off where the hand holds it (altho it is a clean break & you might not notice). The upheld hand has some fingers missing. One of the petals of the larger white soft paste flower is missing. All the rest of the vase figurine is perfect.
So who do you think made this?

China Mark
by: MR

I have a candy dish with N C and a number but it looks different than the ones I've seen posted here and I can't find it online. Can you help?


renna
by: Anonymous

my vases are cherubs holding gold horns

N with circle marking on a PY ceramic
by: Anonymous

I have a mermaid that is probably 1940s era by PY, but it also has an N with a circle on it next to the PY mark. I wondered if anyone knows what that marking means. Thanks!

N over C mark
by: Anonymous

I have a figurine Christmas bell with this mark, but it also has a paper foil label for Ucagco Ceramics Japan. Vintage circa 1950s

Mark of Ucago Compared with the NC mark
by: Peter (admin)

To the last poster...

To my eye, the mark of Ucago on their stickers looks similar to the NC mark, but is not the same.

Please send in your pics to me at:-

peter@theclayartist.com

so that I can post them here.

Here is the Ucago sticker mark which I have on my records for reference....


mark-of-ucago-japan




N in C incised backstamped piece
by: Mike M

Hi Peter, I picked up a piece today based on the N in C back stamp thinking it might be Newcomb Pottery and yet once again by research brings me back to your website. In looking at the pictures and reading through the comments the back stamp on the piece most resembles the Camille Naudot mark. This link also mentioned Ardalt (I shared some pictures on another link)but the piece is so delicately painted. The figurine appears that it is part ashtray and holder of some sort. I'm going to send a few pics to add too this link.

Thanks, Peter !

Mike M

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Mike's pics received and posted below by admin....


Comment by Peter (admin)

Hi Mike

Thanks for the pics. Your comment:- "the back stamp on the piece most resembles the Camille Naudot mark", is incorrect.

As the posts above explain, this mark of yours is nothing to do with Naudot (a superb quality French maker), but is Japanese mass-production from the 1960's.

Which of the importers used this exact mark is open to question as several different importers are said to have used this NC mark...

to quote from above..

We have:-

"Ucagco (United China and Glass Company) one of the many importers of Japanese ceramics which can bear the NC mark".

"Lefton, Ardalt and others confirm the time frame for this mark is 1950's-60's".

"Empress pottery mark or Royal Japan porcelain mark"

Mike's Pics:-


nc-pottery-mark-japan.jpg


This figure is definitely 1960's/70's Japan, not French Naudot in any way shape or form. Please let's all get that clear (this is the whole point of this thread if you read it).

Peter (admin)

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