Pottery Mark Query crossed Arrows with monogrammed letter 'L"?

by Pace - Embossed gold fancy detailed crossed arrows with monogrammed letter 'L' in the middle of the device
(USA)

Pottery Mark Query - Embossed Gold fancy detailed crossed arrows with monogrammed letter 'L' in the middle of the device:- Purchased from an Estate sale around 2002 in USA. Estate of a deceased philanthropist that moved here from Scotland. Beautiful dark blue designed, large serving bowl. Approximately 11" across and 2" depth, with gold trimmings. Searched and searched to identify this mark but have had no luck.

Thanks for any help you may have.

Pace

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Pottery Mark Query - Embossed Gold fancy detailed crossed arrows with monogrammed letter 'L' in the middle of the device

Hi Pace

This is a lovely looking plate which looks like a lot of care and cost has been lavished on its making - which includes one of the most ornate and precise pottery marks I have ever seen.

Unfortunately though I can't find any trace of this mark in my books and I can't recall seeing this mark ever before - and I think I would remember it - being so ornate and using such golden and neat graphic imagery of the cursive 'L', fancy crossed arrow tips, flights, armorial sceptres and even a fleur de lys at one end of one staff.

On top of a dark blue glaze of the base, someone has really gone to town on the underside of this plate, not to mention the fanciful gold scrolling efforts on the top side.

Whenever I can't find a mark, no matter how hard I try, I fear the worst as I naturally conclude "this piece must be modern" - either a reproduction or something trying to look older than it is, or look like something it's not.

Although this is my 'default' thinking when I come across something like this I have sometimes been proved to be mistaken in my default position.

For example see the long yet very enthralling thread on the Mitterteich porcelain mark as we sought to unravel this mystery (use the in-house search box on the top right of this page to see this thread - put in the word "Mitterteich").

As I say, I have looked through my various books for this mark, but it is not there as far as I can see. I may have missed it as I missed the Mitterteich mark. The problem is that you are expecting it to be in one section, but it is in another classification altogether.

Anyway, the best I can do at the moment is to list all the makers who would have naturally used this type of cursive 'L' within its markings and then try to come back to this thread later - meanwhile hope that we have a person (genius) in our midst who knows this mark and is prepared to share (like the Mitterteich solution and many other examples within the query threads of this site).

So let's talk about the obvious first. Limoges is one candidate for this 'L'. Remember though, that Limoges (unlike the Royal/Imperial factory of Sevres run by Jean-Claude Chambellan Duplessis) was not a factory at all but merely a regional centre for a concentration of different porcelain makers due to the abundance of natural materials needed for making porcelain in the region.

So someone making posh cabinet tableware might want to big-up their products by making up a very up-market pottery mark to represent the instant-brand buzz-word of 'Limoges'.

Other (real) makers using this old fashioned style of cursive 'L' in their various porcelain markings include the following:-

Bauer & Pfeiffer of Schorndorf

Lenck of Passau

H. Baensch of Lettin

O. Schlegelmilch of Langewiessen

So maybe this range was especially made to order for someone - a retailer, distributor or rich client, and the porcelain mark was especially designed as a one off. In that case the 'L' might not be to do with the maker, but to do with the client.

That's all the things I can think of off the top of my head, but I would appreciate help on this one if anyone either has this mark or knows who it belongs to.

Peter (admin)

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