Pottery Mark Query - G H with Crown

by Todd
(Burton, UK)









Pottery Mark Query - G H with Crown

Pottery Mark Query - G H with Crown

Pottery Mark Query - G H with Crown:- hi there,
i have two porcelain fighting cock figures that i am trying to identify and wondered if you could help. i inherited the figures some time ago and thought it nice to try and find out where my late granddad purchased these from. on the base the word foreign is inscribed along with the mark which is in the photo i enclose. i initially thought it may be German but am unsure. i would appreciate any help you may be able to give.

thanks Todd.

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Reply by Peter (admin)

To:- Pottery Mark Query - G H with Crown

Hello Todd

At first I thought this mark might be Greiner & Herda, which is the only G H mark I could find in my books.

This was a long shot as your mark is not the same as the most recorded mark of GH which has only three prongs and the G and H are either side of the crown, not underneath. The crown was the same graphic style apart from the number of the prongs.

Greiner & Herda are a Bavarian firm from Oberkotzau, Greiner & Herda were founded in 1898 (some records state 1886).

At first they were just decorators, but success led to making their own stuff.

They mainly offered a range of highly decorated household items especially coffee and tea sets.

The company was taken over in 1943 by Hans Neuerer and renamed Porzellanfabrik Neuerer.

You can contact them as I think they still operate - www.porzellan-selb.de.

But! After further research, I found that this mark does not, in fact, say G H at all. It says 'G' for Gräfenthal, a town in Thuringia, East Germany. The two down-strokes are just graphic lines or arrows. Not at all confusing.

The company was started out as 'Porzellanfabrik Unger, Schneider & Cie' factory in 1859. It went through various mergers and changes of ownership.

In 1885 it became owned in part by Hermann Hutschenreuther, a relation of the famous name porcelain makers.

In 1886 it became the Carl Schneiders Erben factory.

In the 20th Century it became nationalized during the Soviet era.

In 1951 it was merged with the Carl Scheidig factory to form Porzellanfiguren Gräfenthal.

Porzellanfiguren Gräfenthal was dissolved in 1972 and Carl Schneiders Erben closed. Carl Scheidig Erben, however continued with the Gräfenthal name and still trades today.

The blue mark shown has been around from 1889 to 1972, so it is very hard to date.

For more detailed identification, valuation and history you will need to contact a professional. Use my 'Bring In The Experts' page to get in touch with a specialist appraiser. You don't have to pay any money upfront to use this unique service, and I've designed it especially to protect my visitors from wasting time and money online.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Peter (admin)
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Pottery Mark Query - G H with Crown

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I have this!
by: Anonymous

I have 2 figurines that have this same mark - I am having a very difficult time finding where they came from. Any additional help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Did anyone manage to find the makers mark
by: Anonymous

I also have a piece of porcelein with identical markings its a coach and horses ornament which is serial numbered #21843. I have tried to locate information about it but no luck so far, if i get lucky i will re-post with details

Link to Marks Information on Graefenthal / Gräfenthal
by: Anonymous

Here is a link to a specialist German Makers site (PM&M) which expands on the information summary on the maker Graefenthal (or Gräfenthal) aka Unger or Schneider, given by Peter above www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/thuringia/graefenthal


Any update - 1854 on Pottery Mark not 1859
by: Fallguy

I have been searching for a Lady friend (hence the name) for the same markings.

The only difference from the photo is the date 1854,or could that 4 be a 9?.

Reading the short history of the firm (see above)and the date on my Lady friends item if it is 1854 they do not taLly with when the firm was first started.



There is also another number 20*** could this number be more help than a date on the base.

Being as the item belongs to a Lady you can guess I have got find all about it.

Fallguy

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Peter (admin) says:-

Sorry FG but this maker is pretty well documented online (see above link) and not a sniff of any 1854's around. Some Far East makers took to impersonating (badly) some older German marks -- see my ARNART articles. It depends on the quality. Real German will almost always be much better in every way to the Far East factories of this era.

Date query
by: Lynnb359

I also have a piece dated 1854 with the same markings/crown detail.So far I have been unable to find anything about the piece - it is of two figurines; one seated (lady) and one standing (man). Any info would be useful. thanks.

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