Pottery Mark query - 'Old English' above crown. Johnson Bros England By. Gold handpainted 'H' well away from stamp on back

by Aly Mollica
(Perth Western Australia)









I don't know a lot about this cream small (12 quarter inches long) oval platter with gold scalloped edged gilding. It has been my grandmothers for all of her life, and with her recent passing has come into my possession. SHe migrated from Tottenham to Australia back in the early 20's. I suppose I'm just wanting to know what the pattern is and what this platter is called so I can try to value it for insurance purposes.

Thanks to all!

Aly

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Johnson Bros. Old English
by: Blake

Dear Aly, The mark on your platter dates the piece to circa 1913+. Old English is the name of the shape style of the pieces in this line. Johnson Bros. was and still is a prolific producer of china wares. The Old English shape can be found with numerous different decorations from simple to very complex patterns. This site lists just a few of the different patterns used on the Old English shape:
http://www.replacements.com/china/JB07.htm

To identify your pattern's name I would try running searches on eBay America and Ebay UK using the search term "Johnson Bros. Old English". You may be able to narrow down the numerous results you will likely receive by adding platter or plate to the search term. If you don't see your pattern use the name of the next most common piece in a china set in the search term i.e. cup & saucer, gravy boat... Eventually, you will find a match for the decoration on your platter if not the platter itself.
Once you have the decoration name try running searches for your platter with the name on Google and/or looking through price guides to get a value. Even if you don't find an exact match, you can get a solid idea of the value based on the prices platters of the same size in other, similar decorations are bringing.

I hope this helps.

Yours, Blake
Any Luck Identifying Pattern
by: Jan

Pottery Mark query - 'Old English' above crown. Johnson Bros England By. Gold handpainted 'H' well away from stamp on back
by Aly Mollica
(Perth Western Australia)


Aly

I have acquired a few pieces as well (serving bowl & platter, and small & large pitchers) 'Old English' above crown. Johnson Bros England By. Did you have any luck identifying the pattern?

Jan
(Winnipeg Manitoba Canada)
Has anyone solved the mystery
by: jonathan

Hi to all!
Recently found some in a shop in stockholm and would love to find out more about them. Have been surfing the internet for days without any success. Any info will help.
Regards, jonathan.
Same mark
by: Dave

I also have some plates with the identical marks on the back. Scalloped edge but with roses and country flowers in the centre. Dark blue rings with gold decoration and gold gilt rings around the flowers. Ive searched the internet and still no match. Mine does not have the "H" email scouser@telusplanet.net

Dave
Have been looking for match Old English Johnson Bros
by: Terry

I have the exact platter as shown by Aly. I also have a matching serving bowl. The platter has a gold mark away from the Old English stamp. I took this mark as a number 4. It didn't look like a "h". I've inherited the set from my grandmother, but originally came from great grandmother.
Also in search of...
by: Sheri

Hi Aly,

I have the exact pattern in a complete set of dishware with what looks like the number '41' on the back. I have also been searching for more information on the set. The only help I got was from replacements.com where I could buy more pieces, but not sure if they were of the exact vintage and value.

Sheri
ON, Canada
Dating English wartime pottery 1942-1952.
by: Jamie

From 1942 until 1952 the Board of Trade in England took control of pottery manufacture and sale.Due to a lack of workers many factories were closed and others amalgamated.The aim was to save as much as possible in the manufacturing and to control the upper price the item could be sold in England.
1942-52 Plain white wares were marked A,B,C.I think this price range would be under five Pounds.
In 1947 restrictions were lifted to include fancier patterns denoted CY,CZ,BY,.I remember a woman on The "Antiques Road-show" saying how eagerly they waited for the first coloured pottery ware to come out for sale, after the war.
After 1945 wares known as "fancies" could be made for export, to help the war budget effort. This was also marked with the price code mark.I have pieces marked with other letters. Much of this was made by Johnson Bros. Some others were Wilkinson,John Maddock and sons, Winterton, Adderly.
I got most of this information from an article called "Fighting for Recognition" by Cherry Nixon
in issue 64 Nov 2002 of the magazine "Collect it", www.collectit.co.uk I have collected hundreds of pieces over the last few years. Enjoy.
jamiemctainsh@yahoo.com.au
how to value
by: su

I have the exact platter as shown by Aly. The platter has a gold mark away from the Old English stamp. I took this mark as a number 44. It didn't look like a "h". I want to know the value of that platter. I've got it from my grandmother. She had got it from her grandfather. There are some people who want to buy that platter. But, i don't know why they test that platter with spirit before they buy. They said that if the spirit changes into water, they will buy it. Does anyone know about that test & the value of that platter?
Old English
by: Karene Strachan

I have an entire set of this china, with many extra pieces. It is marked Johnson Bros, Old English above the crown with an F to the right and BY at the bottom. I would like to know where I can go to get an approximate valuation as well as to find an interested buyer as I must sell.
gold hand painted letter H
by: na

May Iask you Qs abt H away from Old english above Crown
1.Is a gold hand painted letter h or H or other letters possibilities?
2.Is it a plain or decoration with patterns?
3.Can spirit be changed into water,leaving it for 30 mins?
4.Pls tell me abt this plate in details
5.I can compare and contrast with my plate
Johnson Bros. Dinnerware History
by: Linda

Here's to all that are looking for info on the Johnson Bros. "Markings" I've researched for days.
I also have 30 pieces of Old English Johnson Bros. dinnerware set. I've yet to find my pattern Name.

the links below will help you figure out the era is which you pieces were made. The Johnson Bros. it was 4 of them Alfred, Fredrick, Henry, and Robert Johnson. (Grandsons to the famous Meakin Leanage)- sons of Robert Johnson. Alfred, and Fredrick.

The first link will give you History of...

http://www.thepotteries.org/allpotters/607.htm

The next link will show the markings of early to latest markings used by the Johnson Bros.

http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/j/johnson_brothers.html


The third link will hopefully help you find your pattern Name, in which I have yet to find Mine.

http://www.replacements.com/china/JB04.htm

hope this helps

My set is trimmed in gold, and has a burgundy stripe & floral pattern around the edges. They all have a gold mark and a green mark on the bottom of each piece. some have the letter "B" on them also. Some pieces are in great condition & some are discolored.

Floral patterns did not come out until after the Civil War. After 1945.

Go to the links above and they will some what enlighten you on your dinnerware pieces.

lindaburnett17@yahoo.com

Dinner set NEW
by: Suzi van Dyk

I have a complete dinner set. gold rimmed, old English cottage and garden on left side, top side a spray of flowers and on right flowers growing. It looks like the letter P to the right of the crown as well as a gold mark "1". I got the set from my mother who bought it in die 1950's here in South Africa. I would like to know the pattern name and value.
Not By but BY NEW
by: Jamie McTainsh

If you have a look at my previous comments on Board of Trade wartime price control marks, you will see that a mark(of the same style I have seen before)
such as BY probably means the late forties to early fifties. I just had a look in my front room and found a variety of letters including O,R,M,B,A.
The double letters tend to be on fancier items that were produced when controls on labour and materials eased.

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