Six petaled flower impressed mark on very old family tableware service featuring neat hand insignia decoration

by Victor
(Lisbon, Portugal)

Six petaled flower impressed mark on very old family tableware service featuring neat hand insignia decoration

Six petaled flower impressed mark on very old family tableware service featuring neat hand insignia decoration

Six petaled flower impressed mark on very old family tableware service featuring neat hand insignia decoration
Six petaled flower impressed mark on very old family tableware service featuring neat hand insignia decoration
Six petaled flower impressed mark enlarged
Identifying Mark uploaded by Peter (admin) for reference

Six petaled flower impressed mark on very old family tableware service featuring neat hand insignia decoration:- Hello Peter, I'm Victor, from Portugal, and recently, after a death in the family, I inherited a dinner set that was concealed probably for more than a century.


It was in the attic of my family home, which was built in the countryside, around 1810 (around the third and last french invasion of Portugal).
No one knew about it and there it stayed for more than one century, unused, and stored under poor conditions.

I'm not interested to know its value, since I don't wish to sell it, but I'm very curious to know about its manufacturer.

From looking at it, it seems to me to be made in England, but I'm not sure, since I went through every site and mark encyclopedia and found nothing.

I went through your very good website and could find nothing as well.

For some time I thought it to be the 1842 Minton mark, but I recognize this is not the case, since this mark features a eight pointed star and my dinner set displays a geometrical six pointed flower impressed on the paste.

The material seems to be a stoneware (creamware or pearlware), very light and, where it is chipped, displays a whitish and homogeneous paste.

The decoration is fabulous.

I'm sending two photos which, I hope, will give more information.

Any help will be appreciated.

Yours

Victor

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Reply by Peter (admin)

TO:- Six petaled flower impressed mark on very old family tableware service featuring neat hand insignia decoration

Dear Victor

I wait for posts like this with baited breath....

Just simply to be publishing information on a marvelous heirloom that has been hidden from us for centuries is a blessing. Well done for writing in and I will help as much as I humanly can.

So, I was able to look as my Kovel's reference book for 6 petalled flower marks prior to 1850 and there was only one apppropriate maker listed:-

Longport, Davenport Staffs, c. 1825 (see my maker's guide)

Based on this finding, I then checked out the type of ware they made, and they definitely did make creamware of exactly this type exactly at that time. Here is the evidence......


longport-davenport-sample-decoration-plate



The market at that time would have been well-to-do families commissioning services for their households, so this also fits.

I know you don't want value, but depending on what the services comprise of, Longport early 1800 creamware services can easily reach four figures at auction, just to put you in the picture without being too specific. Good new I don't mind imparting here on the forums, it's the bad news which gets too hot to handle.

Peter (admin)

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Impressed Flower With 6 Petals Mark on Old China Set
by: Peter (admin)

Good news, eh?

Thank you so much
by: Vítor

I want to thank you so much for your answer and what you were able to find.
At last I have a clue about its producer and it seems to confer.
I can't thank you enough.
And I was rather taken by surprise on the range of pricing you wrote. I knew it was a good dinner set (impossible not to notice the perfection of the design, the paste and the decoration), but not it was that expensive.
However, as I wrote you before, I'm not counting on selling it. Since I was able to find it just a while ago, I'm not going to part with it.
I hope it will survive to the next generation, but, this time, I'll be able to tell others about it.
And it will be put to good use as well, since it was in hiding for more than a century, I believe - that's why it is in such good condition.
Once again, I want to thank you so much for your find.
God bless you
Vítor

Could we SEE the 6 petal flower mark
by: Jan

Wish that I could get the flower mark to actually be seen enlarged, cannot see it at all, so those of the rest of us who might have something similar cannot tell! Help!

New Photos Uploaded
by: Peter (admin)

23/05/2014

Peter Admin says:-

I tried to enhance Vitor's pottery mark photo, but it's a bit grainy. If Vitor reads this and can sent a clearer close up, please send to me at...

peter@theclayartist.com

I also uploaded an image of the Kovel's book reference I found (see to top of page).

Hope this helps

Peter (admin)

six petaled flower impressed mark
by: steve

hi

I too had cause to take to the internet to look up an old black vase that had been in my family for as long as i could remember, once belonging to my mother and her mother before that and so on. It has a similar 6 petaled mark and a number that is seperate. The vase is roundish, 6 sided and has two square like handels on it painted with flowers etc. it now sits hidden away in a cupboard after i did save it from being thrown out after she past away etc... its one of the only items left that i remember her by and i could remember it as a little boy. i dont particularly like the design as its dark and black and ugly, but all the same it might be some thing i could in turn leave to my daughter......after reading the above post, im positive it is longport or davenport as you state.....imguessing the 3 number is a pattern number. there are other marks too, poss person who painted it. Any ideas thanks steve.

Looks interesting
by: Peter (admin)

Get this looked at by an expert!

Peter (admin)

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