Pottery Mark Query - W W in laurel wreath with crown above and Bavaria underneath

by Debbie Blareau
(United Kingdom)

Pottery Mark Query - W W in laurel wreath with crown above and Bavaria underneath

Pottery Mark Query - W W in laurel wreath with crown above and Bavaria underneath

Pottery Mark Query - W W in laurel wreath with crown above and Bavaria underneath:- I have admired a set of China my mother was given a few years ago by a friend who had won it in a raffle and did not like it. My mum did and so it became hers. My mum passed away unfortunately about a year ago and my father asked me if I would like to have the China.

Of course I said yes as I loved it!

The set consists of 8 cups, 8 saucers and 8 side plates. The saucers and side plates are triangular shaped which is one of the things I love about this set. The cups are quite shallow. The pattern on the set consists of gold squiggly markings with red, yellow and green elongated triangles on a cream background. The edges of the saucers, plates and cups are also painted gold.

The markings underneath consist of a laurel wreath with W W inside with a crown above and Bavaria underneath. Some of the pieces also have the number 21 underneath Bavaria. The markings are in silver. I have looked everywhere for this mark and pattern on the China to no avail!

I would love to know who made it and when and I know my mum would have been thrilled to have known too.

Debbie Blareau

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Pottery Mark Query - W W in laurel wreath with crown above and Bavaria underneath

Hi Debbie

First thing to say is I like this china set very much and think it is a marvellous example of post-war modernist design. I am not surprised you treasure it and are holding onto it like crazy. For me, it should be in a design museum as it is such a splendid example. Quite beautiful!

Now, onto the question of who made it....

This is a mark very similar in style and graphics to a German firm called Heinrich Winterling
of Bavaria, Germany (a fantastic fine china region and one which spawned such giants and Rosenthal and Hutschenreuther, no less). There are slight differences to the crown and other details. A reasearcher who runs the website www.porcelainmarksandmore.com has tried to establish whether or not this is a genuine mark of the company by actually asking the company (who up to 2010 were still in business). Their answer was that much of the past records were destroyed in a fire, so they had no more idea than us.

The only way it could not be their mark is if a post-war Japanese company had taken the mark and done a slight variation of it and stolen it.

There are many examples of this happening in the 1950's and 60's with cheap Japanese imports trying to look European and therefore more classy.

However, I feel this is unlikely as Heinrich Winterling is such a small and obscure maker. I feel this must be a variation of their own mark which there is no catalogue for.

The reason I say this is the superb quality of the design - in graphics, shapes and fine ceramic body. I am not saying a Japanese rip-off firm could not have produced a design like this, but I feel it is unlikely. Far more likely, in my view, that this is an original European design of the 1950's.

The history of Heinrich Winterling is that he took over a ceramics firm called Drechsel & Strobe in 1903 in a town called Marktleuthen, Bavaria. Heinrich was of the famous Winterling family, but his firm was not directly associated with Gebruder Winterling of Röslau Bavaria. His firm actually pre-dates the more famous Winterling firm by a few years.

For more information on the marks of Heinrich Winterling, go here:- http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/bavaria/marktleuthen_1/00.php

Also, if anyone has a piece with this pottery mark let us know what you have - it all adds to the knowledge base.

Peter (admin)

p.s. The following page is a 'must see' if you are researching fine china - for value and identification:-

Researching the identity and value of antique and vintage fine china.

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I have the same
by: Belinda

I have found this mark on one of my nan's sets, I have another set I'm trying to find as well if you are able to help please

I have this shape of dish .
by: Chris

in a Winterling Roslau Atomic Starburst set which consists of a but bowl and six little side plates, pattern number 113. It is a green mark and crown on top has four chambers with a cross atop.

Different letter
by: Marianne

I have a mark like this with D M in the middle instead of W on. Bowl that belonged to a German relative.

Bavaria crest
by: Jakki

Really need help with this one a laurel leaf with crest in and initials PT? Has pattern 7708 on reverse any help appreciated, if only a region???

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