Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S

Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S

Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S

Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S:- Hello, I have a pair of blue, white and gold porcelain figurines standing about 5 inches tall. She is carrying a basket and he is feeding birds. They appear to be matched and both have the Crown over S in black on the underside.

Can you tell me their origin and vintage.

Much appreciated,


Reply from Peter (admin) below - just scroll down

Reply by Peter (admin)

To:- Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S

Dear Kim

Thanks for taking the time and trouble to upload the very clear photos and become part of this friendly online community.

Now, about your naive figurines and S underneath crown query.

I have had a series of these exact marks sent to me lately and the short answer is I am unable to positively identify this particular mark, because it is not one of the known marks - it appears to be a modern mark designed in homage to the older makers (see the three well cataloged marks I uploaded above).

Or perhaps, it's just a plain and simple sneaky and dubious marketing technique from Far East Mass producers?

There are three German makers who have used variations of a crown over S mark over the years.

However, this newer-looking S mark is not exactly like any of these
older marks from established and more collectable firms.

My conclusion is the mark is either a more modern variation of one of these German factories (in which case I don't quite understand why they would be doing such poor quality rip-offs and bunnykins type rip-offs), or a Far East maker who is trying to pass off their wares as having an association with one of these German makers.

The clue is in the range of products we have now evidenced from various visitors. This particular clean and modern looking stamp has a range of goods which look as of they are trying to pass off as other older ranges.

For me this shows either a lack of marketing 'focus' and/or a tad of desperation. For me it is either modern Chinese or 1950's Japanese, or less likely, a more modern Eastern European maker.

In any case, I don't think the wares would have a high value, unless they were by one of the older more reputable firms mentioned on the above summary page (which I don't think they are - but I could be wrong...)

Hope this rather long answer helps!

Best regards,

Peter (admin)

p.s. The following page is a 'must see' if you are researching fine china - for value and identification:-

Researching the identity and value of antique and vintage fine china.

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your site
by: victor wall

used your site once and found it to be very good for information on makers marks.
will use again

by: Anonymous

I have a girl in diving gear that looks like the hummel figureines but it is marked with a crown over s, does anyone know who made these please, iwould post a photo but dont know how too, many thanks, lesley


Peter (admin) says:-

There is already a couple of threads on this subject. Start on this page and follow the links to various other postings.


The short answer is this mark is not positively identified anywhere - it is not one classified as one of the well known German makers, and so my current feeling it is a post-war Japanese maker trying to sell cheap versions of German looking popular items.

The Crown with the S under.
by: Richard

Hi I have a victorian man and women sat at a table playing Chess, it is in prestine condition, and it is 10 inches in lenght 6& half inches high and 4 inches wide.
It was past on to me and is well over 40 years old please would any body know the manufacture and to what value would it be worth.

my email address is hornby698@aol.com

Crown over S mark
by: Anonymous

I have 3 very nice figures of ladies with this mark, two of the ladies are accompanied by dogs. My Mother has had them for a number of years. I wondered if they were Crown Staffordshire China as we live in the potteries and she aquired them there.

crown and s
by: Anonymous

I have just acquired a decorative jar with floral detail and a butterfly on the lid, although there do not appear to be any marks on the item there is a gold shield shaped label with the same mark in blue and the word SAXONY in red

by: Anonymous

I have a tiger with a black crown and a letter under it could you possibly tell me what it is thanks

Crown over S
by: Hulda

I have a boy/young man with a cow with the S under a crown mark. It is somewhere around 50 years old, probably a bit older. Im trying to find out who made it and where.

by: Kathy

I have a figurine about 4inch high of a little boy pour a watering can and at his feet is a flower which he is watering,he is wearing a has blue pair of trousers with straps that go over shoulders and white shirt,also he has in the same colour blue a hat over his blonde curly hair,on the bottom is a Crown over an S with the word foreign etched in the porcelain (it's not inked)like the crown and s could you tell me about this please.
Thanking you for your time Kathy

Goose girl
by: Anonymous

I have a porcelain figurine - goose girl with crown over S hallmark. Can you tell me my thing about it?

5 prong crown mark with S under it
by: Anonymous

I have a figure of a girl in a Pierrot suit and hat sitting on top of a pair of dice. It is Matt and in pastel colours.
Any idea what it is?

Same mark as Kim
by: Sarah

While tidying up our attic came across a Grampa bear in armchair figure with same mark as Kim, mine has a gold coloured made in Taiwan sticker on it, which supports your theory of the Far East replicas

Mystery Solved
by: Kasey

I have a figure of a diver boy holding a big fish, the Crown over S stamp on the bottom. The shield shape tag attached to the figure reads "Saxony" on one side and "Your Guarantee of Quality" on the other.


Reply by Peter (admin)

Hey Kasey a big THANKS, at last! The answer is SAXONY!!

Okay, does it say country of origin anywhere. I am suspecting Far East, second half of 20th century.

Post if yours can confirm Japan, or country of origin..

All the best

Peter (admin)

white doves crown over S stamped in blue
by: Brenda

I have a pair of white doves porcelain 7in height 6ins wide the tail feather are in a fan shape they have the crown over S & letters GOR in blue on base are they any value
thanks Brenda

by: liz

I have three figures one girl with dog, boy with dog, and boy with rabbit , all white , on the base it has a crown and an s in black ink, are the worth anything.........

by: liz

Three white figures one girl with dog , two boys one with rabbit , and the other has a dog . They have a crown and the letter s on the base in black ink, are the worth anything ...........

Cron over N with word starting Z
by: Anonymous

Hi. I have inherited a figurine ( 1 women playing Harpsichord , 1 playing a lute and a male standing over the harpsichord .) Underneath is a crown over an N and a word under it I cannot read starting with a Z with a horizontal stroke through it . Any ideas .Thanks in anticipation ! Amanda

The Crown over S mark belongs to German porcelain maker Carl Scheidig.
by: Anonymous

The Crown over S mark belongs to German porcelain maker Carl Scheidig.


Reply by Peter (admin)


Thanks for posting, BUT....

Not this S crown mark I'm afraid... Not Scheidig.

See my article here on Scheidig's S crown markings:

Porzellanfabrik Carl Scheidig - founded 1906 in Gräfenthal, East Germany

All the best

Peter (admin)

P.S. To the last two contributors who asked about value - go here to know how to get the value for your items:

Bird eagle
by: Anonymous

Adjust sorting some things of my mother in laws and came across a eagle on rock.it had the crown under neath and a s would it be worth keeping please.

Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S
by: Teresa

Thanks, that was extremely helpful to identify the same mark on a porcelain ornament I recently bought in a charity shop. Luckily, I am impressed with the quality of the ornament so don't mind the fact that it isn't an original variety.

Crown over s musical ornament
by: Anonymous

I have a musical ornament with what looks like a man and boy as chimney sweeps. There is also a signed "David fisher" can you help me and tell me any information on when this was made and where??
Thank you

by: Anonymous

The company is called Saxony. Apart from that I don't know anything else. I have a bird figurine with it on & it still has a black card board tag with the name on it.


Reply by Peter (admin)

Yes, thanks for your post and the one above which also identifies the maker as Saxony!

All the best Peter (admin)

Pig playing a base
by: Anonymous

I have a pic playing base about 4/5 inches tall it’s got letter s underneath crown

I was also looking for a sign "NEW Sitzendorf"
by: Anonymous

I found it,


maybe someone knows what the company's production looked like in the 90's


Reply by Peter (admin)

Hi, thanks for posting, but the marks has been identified above as SAXONY.

We are trying to establish the country of origin, so if you are reading this and have that knowledge, please give us a heads up.

And, anyway, logically speaking, this is highly unlikely to be Sitzendorf simply due to the fact that all the S marks associated with that company throughout time have had the signature double stripe running through the S letter.

Why would they change that when they want to have an association with their time honoured branding?

Doesn't make sense. It makes sense to the seller whose listing you linked to as it would add value to the piece as it would be German export ware and not Far East mass produced ware as is I suspect.

All the best

Peter (admin)

Hi I got a trinket box it got stamped gold with s symbol crown it from 1859 NEW
by: Anonymous


Crown with A NEW
by: Andrrw

I have two thrushes (one a mistle thrush)
They appear to be a pair but only the mistle thrush has a crown with an A under it the other is A Thrush and it has sticker saying made in Tawain.

Maybe Taiwan is the country of origin.

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