Fleur de Lys Pottery Mark - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query
Fleur de Lys Pottery Marks - Possibly Marseilles or Rouen
Fleur de Lys Pottery Mark - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query:- I am looking for the mark - 3 small fleur de lyse on top of 1 large fleur de lyse I cant find it anywhere. It is green.
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Reply by Peter (admin)
To:- Fleur de Lys Pottery Mark - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query
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Getting back to your query, it would've been helpful to include a photo so we can see what we're dealing with.
If your camera's not that great at close-ups you can sometimes get a much better image of the pottery mark by scanning it in an ordinary scanner!
Anyway, by a process of deduction and with the information you provided I hope to be able to point you in the right direction.
The Fleur de Lys pottery mark is not that widely used a china marking. There is no well known or well documented maker that I can find who used the exact pottery base mark that you describe (3 small fleur de lys on top of 1 large fleur de lys).
As the continental name suggests, the Fleur de Lys type pottery mark was mainly used on the continent, with only a small handful of UK makers using china marks with a Fleur de Lys.
There are only two options in my view, for who made your items. The first is that it is a small, rarely documented manufacturer, probably in Europe. The second is the mark is a variation of a better known makers mark.
All I can do to help you in your search is list firstly the documented makers who use a pottery mark with three small Fleur de Lys. Then I will list all the ones who use a single Fleur de Lys.
The following are makers who are documented to use a pottery mark with three small Fleur de Lys:
1. Joseph Schachtel of Charlottebrunn, Silesia, Germany
2. Marseilles Potteries - the 3 Fleur de Lys mark was known to be used by some of the prominent 18th Century 'faience factories' in Marseilles - noted for their informal, lead glazed, brightly colored enamel-decorated earthenwares, showing natural subject matter such as fish and flowers. Possibly the factory is Honore Savy, founded 1770 (a former partner of Veuve Perin), but that would have to be confirmed by specialist appraisers.
Other factories known to have used a single Fleur de Lys:
C. Tielsch of Atwasser, Silesia, Germany
Limoges (Used the Fleur de Lys after the Royal takover after 1784)
Bien Ritiro of Madrid, Spain - Fleur de Lys pottery mark used 1760 - 1804.
Duc de Penthievre of Sceaux, France
Pont-aux-Chou of Paris, France - Fleur de Lys pottery mark registered in 1777.
Saint Cloud of Seine-et-Oise, France - The Fleur de Lys appears on soft-paste porcelain 1700 - 1766.
Capodimonte, Italy - Two types of Fleur de Lys markings appear from c1745, one with a circle is impressed and the other not so, appears in gold.
Rouen (an early center NW of Paris) is known to have used the Fleur de Lys mark.
Sevres, France - known to have used the Fleur de Lys pottery mark also. The porcelain marks of Sevres have been many and varied throughout the long history, but Fleur de Lys marks have been recorded as early as 1753.English and American makers known to have used the Fleur de Lys pottery mark are:
Barker Bros, Lane End, Staffs
Cook Pottery Company, Trenton, NJ, USA
Mintons, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffs
Hammersley & Asbury, Longton, Staffs
John Turner, Longton, Staffs.
Hope this information helps.
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