The Identifying Pottery Marks Forum

Identifying pottery marks is something of a speciality of this website.  We do it for fun because we enjoy the mystery solving process - the thrill of the  chase!  Join the sleuthing with us.

Scroll to the form just below to submit your own query/articles/photos.  Each main entry has to be individually checked and passed for publication - just follow the simple rules and your post should be up within a coupe of days.

The rules aren't too difficult.  They are to do with your pages being found by the search engines, and therefore helping not only you, but helping others too.

So there has to be a minimum number of words and some nice photos. That's about it.

So take pleasure in telling your story and the tale of your china finds and inheritances.  Tell us who you are, and what floats your boat.

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I have now caught up with a huge backlog of entries and articles  that had built up, so it should only be a couple of days at most as long as people follow the posting rules.

If you ignore the rules, don't expect your post to be published.

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Here are some mystery marks we already solved together:-

Here's what this website is capable of.....


help with tricky to identify pottery marks

We got this mark which appeared to say 'YANG'.  Written in hand which looked like writing on a blackboard.

I had no clue.  After some time, people found this post and solved the mystery for us.  The words said 'Mana' not Yang at all.  It is the mark of a group of Native American peoples in the USA making beautiful contemporary wares. 

Mystery mark with archer's helmet, 6 crossed arrows and a cup

Then there was the mystery helmet with arrows and a drinking cup. I thought it might be English due to the the shape of the helmet and the reference to the long-bow.  Then I thought it might be modern and a made up mark from Japan or China.

I was wrong, Paul, a friendly site visitor, told us he knew it was a German company called Mitterteich.  When I checked my Rontgen book, he was right, I had missed it! (my excuse it was a difficult mark to classify - and I had been looking in the wrong sections).


Iron Mountain Stoneware backstamp

Then there were the strange USA squiggles.  The photos showed some really lovely art pottery work.  I thought the mark was like a Van Briggle.  Turns out it was more modern art pottery and was eventually identified by the potter's granddaughter as being 'Mountain Stoneware'.


The very hard to identify Muller Volkstedt mark

And what about the tiny blurry mark in the shape of a moth which on closer inspection looked like it said "MZ"?  Well it wasn't  moth and it didn't say MZ, but rather "MV" for Muller Volkstedt!

BELOW IS THE LIST OF THE UNSOLVED MYSTERY POTTERY MARK QUERIES

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Please try to add value to the site with your contribution. Read below to find out what is required...

These interactive spaces are all about chatting to others about ourselves and finding out where our interests and experiences meet.

Don't mistake this gathering of like minds as a free appraisal service - it ain't! Those kinds of posts get short shrift here, as really they are nothing but spam, just like the stuff that annoys everyone on Facebook & Twitter.

However, in the process of chatting, we sometimes can help each other identify markings and fascinating histories (but we stay away from values as that causes arguments). Instead, go here to the valuations service. Thanks.

CONTRIBUTIONS ARE SELECTED FOR QUALITY (both in photos and content) - SO MAKE SURE YOURS STANDS A GOOD CHANCE BY FOLLOWING THE RULES!! (see below)

NOTE:

    IF YOU WANT TO GET YOUR QUERY PUBLISHED, PLEASE READ THESE SIMPLE RULES:-

    1. You must have checked by using the in-house search engine (see top right of this page) that your query has not already been solved. Many have and people don't bother to do this.

    2. You need to upload 4 photos (preferably 2 of the mark - one close, one of the whole of the base) and 2 of the item(s)

    3. Write an article about who you are, your collecting interests and the story of how you got hold of the item(s) in question, where it fits into your life and interests. THIS MUST BE AT LEAST 600 words (sorry about that, but we needed to implement this policy in 2013 after Google changed its rules and banned our site from their listing because so many of our pages were under 500 words long. Ouch! That hurt!).

    4. Above all, be a friendly and interesting contributor (not an anonymous individual who can't string two sentences together). What you write is up to you. If you don't have a story, and can't be bothered, go to a different site please.

    Any submissions not following these simple instructions won't see the light of day on this site! We have more than enough short pages already.

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    8. China Chat - Current Unsolved Pottery Mark Investigations

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    Ceramic Bird with Hat Decanter Figurine with "L S"? mark and number 9864 
    Context: We found this bird decanter/figurine in the dirt under a historic farm house that was being moved in Odenton, MD. The house was the house for …

    Lg Milian (?) vase painted "slash" and mark that looks like a 4 OR the number 14 
    Lg Milian (?) vase painted "slash" and mark that looks like a 4 OR the number 14:- I have been told that these marks look like Milan and they would translate …

    Incised "M over W" inside a pitcher mark on old bue & white tile 
    Incised "M over W" inside a pitcher mark on old bue & white tile:- We live in Northen Michigan and find a wide variety of things at local estate and garage …

    "Made in USA" pot marking with an initial CV or GV or G 
    "Made in USA" pot marking with an initial CV or GV or G:- Hi all,I recently purchased this little vase/pot at a thrift store and its not my usual style …

    Nine-spoked wheel or a sunburst on Studio Pottery Mug 
    Nine-spoked wheel or a sunburst on Studio Pottery Mug:- I bought this lovely studio pottery mug at a charity shop. I particularly like the blue glaze …

    "Pottery Mark Query - 'B' Inside Star" , Germany 
    "Pottery Mark Query - 'B' Inside Star" , Germany:- My mother recently passed away, and in going through her things we came across an old tea set that …

    Pottery Mark Query J with wheat and circle gold 
    Pottery Mark Query J with wheat and circle gold:- I have several small saucer plates with hand painted pictures of birds, I am trying to identify the …

    Dick and Jane Figurine? - With DC Pottery Mark on Base? 
    Dick and Jane Figurine? - With DC Pottery Mark on Base?:- Hello, I found this figurine it is damaged the leg is missing. I like it tho. Its very cute. …

    Blue Crown over a B and mirrored B 
    BB Mark Blue Crown over a B and mirrored B\\;- Wedding present 50 years ago. roman dressed women & children, 4 different designs. 12 cups & saucers, …

    Pottery mark Query - Blue 'R' inside Blue Diamond 
    Pottery mark Query - Blue 'R' inside Blue Diamond:- Bisque figurine of two children on a swing. Holes in swing with string. Additional markings are impressed …

    pottery mark query- stamped. native american 
    pottery mark query- stamped. native american:- I recently purchased a narrow necked ceramic vase ; fat bottomed; about 8" tall x 6" wide at the base. …

    Fine Bone China Porcelain Mark Query With Bird Sitting on Elephant's Back 
    ASRO Fine Bone China Porcelain Mark Query With Bird Sitting on Elephant's Back:- Full 6 piece fine bone china tea set with teapot and milk & sugar jug …

    Pottery Mark Inquiry - Green Crown with no other words or incises 
    Pottery Mark Inquiry - Green Crown with no other words or incises:- Hello: I was wondering if you could help me determine the maker of this figurine. …

    Pottery mark Query "Impressed 'C S L' inside of Triangle" Hand Made Underneath 
    Pottery mark Query "Impressed 'C S L' inside of Triangle" Hand Made Underneath Dog Figurine:- Pottery Dog Figurine (Newfoundland?) in Clay, Lime Green …

    Identify JK pottery mark on figurine? 
    Identify JK pottery mark on figurine?:- i recently bought this piece at a collectibles fair purely because it matches the decor of our home and it is …

    Red Dragon Vase - Pottery Mark Backstamp with EL UNICO 
    Red Dragon Vase - Pottery Mark Backstamp with EL UNICO:- I found this vase in a consignment shop recently but have tried for days to identify the backstamp …

    Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S 
    Porcelain Mark Query - Crown over S:- Hello, I have a pair of blue, white and gold porcelain figurines standing about 5 inches tall. She is carrying …

    Is this a Villeroy and Boch? Pottery Mark Photo 
    Is this a Villeroy and Boch? Pottery Mark Query:- I received a chocolate set from my father a few years ago. He picked it up at an auction sale, not …

    Bone China "James Shaw" Mystery 
    Bone China "James Shaw" Mystery:- Hi, I have some lovely figurines which were made by my great grandfather's brother's family some time in the early 1900's. …

    Help Identifying Crown With IVO Pottery Mark 
    Help Identifying Crown With IVO Pottery Mark:- I have two 9" figurines. Both are blue and white porcelain with gold/guilt embellishments. They are dressed …

    No Pottery Marks on China Collection Query 
    No Pottery Marks on China Collection Query:- Hi Peter, I have, since my teen years, been collecting a "crazy tea set" which my mother started for me …

    Who Is this 'B' Pottery Mark on Teapot? 
    Who Is this 'B' Pottery Mark on Teapot?:- trying to find maker of, and info on my teapot. thankyou Gary ===================================== …

    GKBCO Pottery Mark Query 
    GKBCO Pottery Mark Query:- Aloha, I have uncovered a tea set with the marking gk b co on the bottom (in a cross using 'b' as a middle letter). Could you …

    Driving me 'potty' - possibly from England? Unknown mark 
    Hi, I bought this lamp at a garage sale after falling in love with it. Something just draws me to it - probably because it's just so "pretty". The …

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    1920's style green figurine mark query of girl pouring a cornucopia full of pearls. 
    Help needed please. My name is James Butler. I have purchased at auction four figurines. I bought them this week on the 1st of July from a local auction …

    Pottery Mark Query - Fish with an Arrow Through it 
    In the early part of the 20th century, just before she was born, my grandmother's family moved from Poland to France where they lived until the end of …

    cup saucer coffee tray-- German? 4329 ? VG ? 
    I would like to find replacement cups for what I would call a ceramic "coffee set" that I inherited from relatives that had to flee Ulm, Germany in 1939. …

    Pottery Mark Query - "C-A- on the bottom" 
    Hello, My mother has had a set of pottery roosters (pitcher, sugar dish, creamer, etc.) for a long while. She's used them for every holiday, family get-together, …

    Scribbled Signature Mark on Tall Vase 
    New to looking up marks- PLEASE HELP!!:- My wife and I have always loved looking at antiques. We often for dates go to antique shops or wander yard sales …

    Two dots and FKJE or FYE or FTYE ? on a white porcelain clock 
    My figurine clock is not my inheritance or something sentimental that I've had since I was a child. I recently bought a box of porcelain figurines, vase, …

    Napoleon Figures, "N" with a crown 
    Napoleon Figures, "N" with a crown:- I bought 3 of these figurines at an antique store in the small town I am from. I really just thought they were cool, …

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An interesting exchange on why we don't discuss values on this site - we stick to identifying pottery marks!

A person who shall remain nameless asked for a professional valuation on a tableware service from a very obscure Japanese post-war maker.

She got very irate when the professional expert had a different view on her idea of the value which she had gleaned from the retailer site Replacements.com.

We don't want irate people on these identifying pottery marks forums, we want to keep it most friendly, so we deal with values separately. Just click on the treasure chest photo in the right column for values.

Here is my reply which attempted to calm the waters and explain about what 'fair market value' exactly means.

    "2 pointers for you...

    First, Replacements.com is not a good place to research the value of an item as they are retailers who ‘make the market’ by being prepared to hold stock for many many years (decades in some cases).

    Due to their system of selling, rarity within Replacements.com is not a benchmark for the general market outside when it comes to obscure brands.

    The real value of something is what an item will fetch at auction in general trading when a seller has the intent to sell (and not the commitment to hold stock for many years).

    When you have the set up of Replacement.com, you can use their pricing system, but, sadly, not until then (do you have 20 years and $10million to spare?)!

    For this reason, sale at auction, either on eBay or in offline auction rooms is the only true indicator of fair market value. This is why all expert appraisers, either on TV or within teams like my own, have an auction-house background (not a Replacements.com background!).

    Second, in the case of this very obscure Japanese maker, virtually uncollected anywhere, there is considered by experts no difference in the market value from pattern to pattern. There is no such thing as a benchmark market value for any Adline pattern, as there is no significant market.

    The items are so few that even one person wanting to build up a set in one pattern can skew results considerably and make inexperienced people think there is a market that doesn’t exist.

    Replacements.com hold little stock of any Adline pattern and, as I said, make up their prices as they go along according to their own private rules – not general market rules, so there can be no general market inferences from these anomalies and therefore the prices shown on Replacements.com for Adline can effectively be ignored in terms of the fair market value (it would be different for, say, Old Country Roses where they are not ‘making the market’). As my expert said, there has been only one offline sale in the West of Adline in the past 7 years (we hold records of all sales for that period in main city and provincial sales in the USA, Europe and UK).

    So valuations have to be made with the experience of a professional eye who has seen many services of this type (but not necessarily this brand or pattern) go through auction rooms time after time. There is a reasoning behind the prices obtained for this type of ware – and Replacement.com pricing in no way shape or form reflects this with regard to an obscure brand like Adline.

    If you are interested, my premium service of $29.99 gives you the breakdown of what each item is valued at and also gives a deluxe printable certificate in pdf format.

    Remember, valuations are matter of opinion and judgement, they only become born out by an actual sale (and, as I constantly keep being reminded by my expert colleagues – ‘a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!’).

    Sales are greatly helped by a quality valuation certificate. No one is going to be fooled by retail prices shown on Replacements.com."

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